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Hi Lars
Now we know what infect this guy is carrying
in his brain.
We loose our time here.
Gl es 73
HB9BBD
Dominique
-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: Lars Pettersson
Datum:07.08.2014 07:19 (GMT+01:00)
An: Stephen Hanselman
,Peter Blair
Cc: Dominique Fässler
,Eddy Jespers
,"DL1YMK"
,moon{zavináč}moonbounce.info
Betreff: Re: [Moon] The Swedish 4Th 432 & UP EME meeting CW
Stephen
As the founder of this meeting i decided when i started this that i will try
to do something that looked like the meetings we had.
1988 PA3CSG did the 432 &UP meeting in Holland it was only 432 &UP . There
where meetings for 2 mt guys aswell arranged by a EA station thos days.
All the years untill 2002 in Prague this changed to be a an all band
meeting, By some reason, that i dont want to meantion !!!!!
Then suddenly the meetings started to grow so much so it will be very
difficult to handle by a small group.
The ideea of the Swedish EME meeting come up when i meet with an old friend
SM5FRH, And to make it easy i posted all the info on moon reflector, instead
of looking for all SM EME rs email. easy YES.
Then i got som interest from others, And i decided that as long as you are
active or will be within a timframe thats reasnable you are welcome, As im
the only one doing this i decided to keep this in an small way and within
the Core of CW EME rs some of this Guys also do JT and i dont have
personal against them But this meeting are to preserve CW and tecknik.
I have had hams asking that they will come and i have said this is not an
open meeting, you have to be or become active, Thos persons got angry at me
OK but if i should say Yes and ok to every one then this will be to big = No
more meetings.
Thats the reason
There is the Big Int EME meetings that should fill the need for every one,
so The Swedish are for 432&UP Active EME rs with the same interest
doing CW the old fashion way
73 Lars SM4IVE Swedish EME meeting
Stephen Hanselman skrev 2014-08-07 00:10:
Peter,
If I were saying something about say CW vs
Digital or some other topic you are absolutely right. HOWEVER, what i
was talking about was a message to the world that there is to be a
conference that ONLY CW operators are welcome to "we don't want 100's of
attendees..."
I would like to gather more information on
operating this mode in particular technical aspects of station
improvement. While it is unlikely that I would be traveling to Sweden
for this trip it is offensive in the extreme to be told if you aren't
active on CW and above 432 we don't want you go away
73's
Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
On Aug 6, 2014, at 2:29 PM, "Peter Blair" <g3ltf>
wrote:
Stephen, you may not be aware of the history of
the moon reflector as distinct from moon-net. Moon was set up
about 6 years ago by Rainer DF6NA when Michael W9IP decided to
censor ( or moderate) moon-net discussions when any discussion
started that he considered controversial, in particular
discussion of the merits of JT vs CW. This he is perfectly
entitled to do, he owns it so he can set the rules.
However, when you say that something “.... has no business being
on a public forum.” that is your opinion which you are free to
express but remember that the forum you are referring to, the
moon reflector, was set up to allow the expression of
un-censored free speech on all matters EME, (a bit like the 1st
amendment).
So, completely irrespective of whether you or I or anyone else
believes the event in question should be open or by invitation
it is a perfectly legitimate issue to discuss on the Moon
reflector.
From:
Stephen Hanselman
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 8:52 PM
To:
Dominique Fässler
Cc:
Eddy Jespers ;
Peter Blair ; DL1YMK ;
Lars Pettersson
Subject: Re: AW: Re: [Moon] The Swedish 4Th 432 &
UP EME meeting CW
Dominique,
If this is truly an "invitation only" event then it has no
business being on a public forum. It almost reminds me of
Orwell's great quote "All animals are created equal but some
are more equal than others"
I find your argument somewhat specious, if you want to find
more acceptance you have to be more inclusive NOT less.
Besides I would question the intelligence of someone who went
to a CW meeting and expected digital stuff.
You want a CW only event GREAT!!, like minded folks should be
able to gather and trade information. Just don't parade it
down the throats of others who don't agree with your position.
73's
Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
On Aug 6, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Dominique Fässler <HB9BBD>
wrote:
Stephen
Your arguments are reasonable, however there might be a
legitimate desire for talks about EME without pol issues,
software gimmicks, chatrooms, "own" frequencies, deep
search and QSOs which do not comply with our understanding
of the ingreediants of uncorrupted random contacts.
This explains a meeting which you call a "clique" - wich
is on invitation only.
Is this unfair? It definitely is what we are out for. It
is EME.
73 HB9BBD
Dominique
-------- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --------
Von: Stephen Hanselman
Datum:06.08.2014 20:58 (GMT+01:00)
An: serge
Cc:
moon{zavináč}moonbounce.info
Betreff: Re: [Moon] The Swedish 4Th 432 & UP EME meeting CW
Clique's barely have a place in High School and certainly
do not have a place out in the real world.
Certainly there are differences in technique and problems
as we go higher in frequency especially 2GHz and up. A
specialized meeting dealing with a narrower focus might
allow exchange of substantially more technical data.
On the other hand "if you don't use the mode I like you
can't come" has no place what so ever in amateur radio.
The real base concept should be to show others what can be
done and why operating a much more difficult mode is so
rewarding.
73's
Stephen Hanselman, KC4SW
On Aug 5, 2014, at 11:53 AM, serge <ve1kg>
wrote:
So Lars for people like
myself using JT & CW on 144Mhz doe this mean I am not
welcomed?? This year I am going to EME 2014 & most of
the people I will meet are on 432 & up most of them
are CW operators some of them are both JT & CW. The
reason I am going is I want to learn more about
microwave EME & particularly 10ghz. I know I am
welcome in France as a moonbouncer regardless of the
mode I use or the frequencies I operate on.& that is
the way it should be
I think Lars we are too
small of a group to start subdividing moonbouncers
into groups of interest. It is too bad !I love the
Scandinavian countries & I was looking for a reason to
go there. I have to tell you i am truly disappointed.
Anyway have fun if you can!!!
73, Serge VE1KG
----- Original Message -----
From:
Lars Pettersson
Sent: Tuesday, August 05,
2014 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon] The
Swedish 4Th 432 & UP EME meeting CW
hi Serge
The meeting are as the info reads it aims to Active
hams on 432 and up and yes mostly CW There are
a meeting this year that turns to peoples intrested in
digital on all bands.
The meeting i organize would only be 432 and UP and
for active ops. Im not intrested to have several 100 s
of attendies since it would be unpersonal and
difficult to handle.
does this clarify your thoughts?
Lars SM4IVE
serge skrev 2014-08-05 14:31:
Lars
Tell me is this ONLY
for folks doing cw ONLY? How about people who do
both? Can you give us the criteria on who
qualifies & who does not?
Thank you
----- Original Message -----
From:
Lars Pettersson
Sent: Monday, August
04, 2014 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Moon]
The Swedish 4Th 432 & UP EME meeting CW
The following have already showed their
interest:
G3LTF,HB9BBD,I5WBE,N4PZ,ON5TA,ON7UN,PA2DW, SM4IVE
Lars Pettersson skrev 2014-08-04 19:15:
Hi fellow EME`rs 432&UP
I have started to prepair for the 2015 Happening
THE 432 & UP EME meeting . That aims to keep
CW alive. The dates will be May 29-31
2015 Friday-Sunday (Negative decl)
This meeting aims to active EMErs and thos
that plan become on 432& up and share the same
interest. CW and technik!!!!!!
Please start to prepare your talks.
Today i went to the hotel and asked them to send
me a price on the same program as we had last
year.
All meeting rooms are new
renovated and
the rooms are also renewed.
I have made preliminary reservations for 50
EMErs this could be extended .
I will update my webpage when i have more info.
Lars SM4IVE Swedish EME meeting.
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